{"id":670,"date":"2011-11-02T23:20:48","date_gmt":"2011-11-03T03:20:48","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.pgv.ireneeng.com\/?p=670"},"modified":"2012-02-15T23:43:44","modified_gmt":"2012-02-16T03:43:44","slug":"buyer-beware-why-did-he-ask-for-my-database","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.pgv.ireneeng.com\/?p=670","title":{"rendered":"Buyer beware: why dazupu asked for my database?"},"content":{"rendered":"

In early October when I was shopping for a new home (software) to move because I wanted to get out of Family Tree Maker that I’ve been using since 2003. Geni<\/a> has very clean look\/feel to it but I wasn’t too impressed (no particular reason – won’t accommodate Chinese names<\/a> mainly .. ), when the same friend who suggested Geni mentioned dazupu<\/a> that uses PGV, I did just that. I checked it out. The site runs very slow and not well organized: \u4e71\u4e71\u54c4\u54c4\u5730 in noisy disorder. When I found an US phone number on one of the pages I decided to give it a try. Peter Huang (\u4e2d\u534e\u5927\u65cf\u8c31\u534f\u4f1a\u7406\u4e8b\u957f, \u9ec4\u79c9\u806a), one of the founders answered on the second ring.
\nI was very thrilled, interrupting him numerous times and he couldn’t wait to explain to me what his organization is all about. We both were excited.
\nOne of the six founders of the site, four are in IT.
\nThey ran seminars in China, training people to use PGV. Those trainees would go out and charge a fee [he mentioned a specific figure but I don’t remember now] to train other users. During one of their meetings held in China, Peter proudly said that the creator of PGV John Finley called from his home in USA [couldn’t be there due to having a child (?) sorry perhaps I didn’t have my hearing aid, so not too sure].
\nYuan Shikai’s granddaughter [or ?] gave him\/them her family tree and they’ve updated it
\n..
\n..
\nI explained my problems or expectations:<\/p>\n

    \n
  1. Most of all, I want the application\/software to have separate fields accommodating zi<\/em> \u5b57, hao<\/em> \u53f7, etc.<\/li>\n
  2. The Alias field from FTM became junk in PGV<\/li>\n
  3. Built-in lunar calendar\/Gregorian convertor<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n

    At end of our hour long conversation, he said he’ll give me permission to look at Yuan Shikai’s family tree (there’s at least one marriage between the Yuans and my branch), and I should add him to mine too.
    \nThat was Oct 6, 2011.
    \nOct 7:<\/p>\n

    Irene,
    \nMay I have an user name and password in order to visit your site?
    \nPeter<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    I added him immediately. Few emails later, he asked to be added as Admin:<\/p>\n

    GEDCOM \u662fPGV\u548c\u76ee\u524d\u8bb8\u591a\u8c31\u7cfb\u8f6f\u4ef6\u901a\u7528\u7684\u8bb0\u5f55\u8c31\u7cfb\u8d44\u6599\u7684\u6587\u4ef6\u5982\u60a8\u9700\u8981\u6211\u5e2e\u52a9\uff0c\u53ef\u80fd\u8981\u4ece\u60a8\u7684\u7cfb\u7edf\u4e0a\u4e0b\u8f7d\u7ed9\u6211\u770b\u770b\uff0c\u6216\u628a\u6211\u7684\u6237\u53e3\u6539\u4e3aAdm\uff0c\u8ba9\u6211\u8fdb\u53bb\u5904\u7406\u3002\u6211\u7684Dinner Time \u662f19\uff1a00-20\uff1a00.
    \nPeter<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    I granted him the right. He went in and made name change, asking me if this was what I wanted.<\/p>\n

    Hmmmm … Not really! What I wanted is to have a solution for zi<\/em>, hao<\/em>, etc. Not superficial change. Actually I had it all worked out already<\/a> – users in the forum were very helpful and patient<\/a> to help me.<\/p>\n

    Oct 9,<\/p>\n

    Hi Peter, did you download my family tree? Have you figured out if there is a way to import Chinese properly from FTM into PGV? Thank you.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    I heard nothing from him. I didn’t feel very good about someone have a run with my very private data, like inviting a stranger into my home and suddenly s\/he just disappear inside my home. I wanted to truck him down.<\/p>\n

    Oct 11,<\/p>\n

    Hi Peter,
    \nI haven’t heard back from you and don’t know if you’ve downloaded my family tree data. If you did, please delete it completely from your computer or anywhere that you’ve uploaded or distributed. This database is very private, I do NOT wish to have it distributed and or used in anyway, privately or publicly. Thank you for your cooperation and understanding.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    He finally replied<\/p>\n

    Irene,
    \nSorry for late respond. I have not check my Emails for couple of days because I was busy on others tasks during last weekend.
    \nI did not do any more works on your case yet since last Friday.
    \nI will delete your file completely from my computer if I can’t resolve your problem this week.
    \nPlease remove my account in your system also.
    \nHope you will find solution to resolve the problem.
    \nPeter<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    Oct 12<\/p>\n

    Irene\uff0c
    \n\u6211\u5df2\u5b8c\u5168\u522a\u9664\u60a8\u7684\u8cc7\u6599\uff0c\u53ea\u63d0\u53d6\u4e86\u5176\u4e2d\u9019\u4e00\u5c0f\u6bb5\u505a\u7814\u7a76—\u6211\u5df2\u4e0b\u8f09\u4e86NJ Star\u3002
    \n\u5982\u60a8\u8a8d\u70ba\u9023\u7814\u7a76\u4e5f\u4e0d\u5fc5\uff0c\u8acb\u5373\u544a\u77e5\u3002\u6211\u5011\u4e0d\u6703\u5f37\u4eba\u4e4b\u96e3\u7684\u3002\u66f4\u4e0d\u6703\u7528\u60a8\u7684\u8cc7\u6599\u3002
    \n\u6211\u82b1\u90a3\u9ebc\u591a\u6642\u9593\u70ba\u60a8\u56de\u7b54\u554f\u984c\u90fd\u53ea\u662f\u70ba\u60a8\u597d\uff0c\u53ea\u662f\u61c9\u60a8\u6240\u6c42\u3002\u76f8\u4fe1\u60a8\u4e0d\u6703\u8aa4\u89e3\u3002
    \n\u8a18\u5f97\u8acb\u522a\u9664\u6211\u7684\u6236\u53e3\u3002\u6211\u4e0d\u6703\u518d\u9032\u5165\u60a8\u7684\u7db2\u7ad9\u3002
    \n\u5982\u60a8\u4e5f\u4e0d\u518d\u9032\u6211\u5011\u7684\u7db2\u7ad9\uff0c\u6211\u5011\u7576\u4f5c\u76f8\u61c9\u8655\u7406\u3002\u5305\u62ec\u8881\u4e16\u51f1\u7684\u65cf\u8b5c\u3002
    \n\u6b61\u8fce\u60a8\u9700\u8981\u7684\u6642\u5019\u56de\u4f86DZP\u3002\u518d\u6b21\u770b\u770b\u6211\u5011\u7db2\u4e0a\u7684\u63d0\u793a\u8a9e<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    I did visit YSK’s tree once but it didn’t seem to be carefully noted, lacking citation, a far cry from the few family trees that I’ve seen. Beside, YSk’s genealogy is all over the internet. The details of the son who married into my family is very limited, I had more on him – granted, maybe the lady who gave Peter the tree isn’t the direct descendants.<\/p>\n

    Oct 16, 2011<\/p>\n

    Peter,
    \nIf you have any luck with the importation, pls let me know, I can (or you can) share it on the PGV forum. It’ll benefit anyone who seeks the answer. Thanks.
    \nIrene<\/p><\/blockquote>\n

    I haven’t heard from him since.<\/p>\n

    Over all, my brief experience dealing with Peter and dazupu wasn\u2019t a good one, very disappointing. He didn\u2019t understand my two problems, which didn\u2019t require the solver to be inside my private database, did it? Adding zi<\/em> and hao<\/em> is on the developer side, and the importation should be rest on the Family Tree Maker instead my private database?<\/p>\n

    \u5176\u5b9e\u6211\u7684\u4fe9\u4e2a\u95ee\u9898\u90fd\u4e0d\u9700\u8981\u4ed6\u4eec\u8fdb\u5165\u6211\u7684\u6570\u636e\u5e93: \u52a0\u6dfb\u5b57,\u53f7\u7b49\u7b49\u662f\u4e0d\u9700\u8981\u8fdb\u6211\u7684\u7f51\u7ad9, \u8f93\u8fdb\u8f93\u51fa\u4e71\u7801\u662f\u4e0d\u662f\u5e94\u8be5\u53bbFTM \u627e\u7b54\u6848? \u5927\u65cf\u8c31\u4e3a\u4ec0\u4e48\u4e0d\u4ec5\u8981\u5168\u6743\u8fdb\u5165\u6211\u7684\u6570\u636e\u5e93\uff0c\u4e0b\u8f7d\u6211\u7684\u6570\u636e\u653e\u5728\u4ed6\u4eec\u7684\u7535\u8111\u4e0a?<\/p>\n

    I really didn’t understand why did he need to have full access to my data, and copied it into his computer? Throughout my troubling days learning to use PGV, all the people in the forum never ever asked to have that kind of access<\/a>.<\/p>\n

    I would assume if they’ve big plan, have a committee, charging fees off a free ware, etc. shouldn’t they be one of the developers of the project? Am I the only one demanding or dreaming of having the zi<\/em> and hao<\/em> fields? You can’t be serious?!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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